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Lot from constituents. where is the pressure going to come from that would actually force a deal here? >> well, it's a great question. you know, mark twain said history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes. you see a lot of the themes and a lot of self-delusion in this republican rum p, that you saw in the house republicans back in 1995 and 1996. they were sure then that government was so unpopular that the public would cheer the idea it was shut down. i don't think they are quite as expecting that as they are thinking that the political market has almost priced their craziness into it. they ar...

Country in terms of a social safety net has become victim to hyper partisanship when republicans often moving towards libertarian perspective on this stuff as paul ryan even talked about in his acceptance speech last summer. to me that's pretty much a radical move for the party. >> the bottom line is, whether it's a libertarian perspective or not, at the end of the day, there is a proper space for these programs that was carved out by republicans and democrats alike a long time ago that everyone, as we've talked about in the past, agreed to, because it was a very important floor. the question ...

Clinton, vice president biden coming up here to, i guess, defend his record that he's not able to defend himself. i'm very happy with where we stand and the support i've had. >> one of the things you've tried to do is make the case you're not a national republican, that you're your own guy, a different type of republican. has that been a hard message to sell? have voters been skeptical as you've tried to make that point and make that case? >> no, i think the message is resonating. the message is they know how broken d.c. is, the cynicism, fiscal mismanagement, hyper partisanship. they know i'm...

>> congress should have low numbers because it is a paralyzed institution by hyper partisanship and obstruction mostly on the right side of the aisle. compromise has become a sign of betrayal. i heard evan buy talking about his father's experience as i an congressman. he said we used to have a system where people understood there are greater threats to the nation than the other party. they no longer understand that and woman rather shut down government than give it to the other party. it's disgusting. >> if you stick around, can you close the show today and shut it down? >> i can do that. i ca...

Describing. what is the mechanism that keeps pulling it? >> well, i think it's a complicated question. there are a number of things driving that. one of it is campaign finance reform. we declare there are different categories of money. some bad, some good. but chiefly, we have removed money away from the political parties and the political campaigns. political parties have always been moderating influences in american politics. we've now pushed all this money to these outside groups. they're ideological groups, they're about enforcing issues discipline, they're the people threatening to primar...