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The launch pad or travel a few thousand kilometers, every time there is a test on either side, the side doing the test learns something. >> hans nichols, thanks. i want to share this. new pictures this morning of what is reportedly north korean leader kim jong-un's personally overseeing the country's latest missile test. two tests done in just two days. kim jong-un threatening to develop more powerful weapons in multiple phases to defend his country against us, the united states. i'm joined now by nbc's janice in beijing. any reaction from north korea as the u.s. readies to test fire of his ...

Significance of this test. does it feel like this is a back and forth between the president trump administration and north korea or north korea independently trying to get the world's attention? >> this was entirely expected. north korea has always tested -- this is his 75th missile test since kim jong-un came into power. and ninth test under trump's administration. this is expected. now that it is a second failed test this month, i think they have to continually test. and we are probably looking at another nuclear test down the road. and possibly even an icbm test. >> you don't think this is ...

This is his 75th missile test since kim jong-un came into power. and ninth test under trump's administration. this is expected. now that it is a second failed test this month, i think they have to continually test. and we are probably looking at another nuclear test down the road. and possibly even an icbm test. >> you don't think this is a response to donald trump making that out of the blue statement that we could have major, major conflict with north korea? >> well, in a way, because kim jong-un cannot back down and look like he is caving under pressure. but this is also north korea, as i s...

Kim jong-un and north korea, understanding that he is unpredictable, that he has been threatening this 6th nuclear test. but that nuclear test or a test of an inter-continental ballistic missile which has not yet happened, those are really the two very concerning items that the south koreans and the world really are watching. in terms of a short-range missile test, this is, yes, a concern here in south korea, but less of one than, say, a nuclear test or an icbm test, greta. >> kelly, thank you. now let's go to nbc's hans nichols. our correspondent at the pentagon. hans, sooner or later if nort...

Long time ago if there were easy options. the fact is we're dealing with a nuclear-powered nation. if we were to try to attack them, they would virtually wipe out seoul and 20 million people who live in seoul. and if it became a nuclear war, which is likely, millions of lives would be lost, and that's the reason we haven't pulled the trigger. >> you know, he's a great man, leon panetta. i've known him forever. he used the word pull the trigg trigger, an unfortunate metaphor. what happens if this guy over here kim jong-un gets nervous and he hears talks coming out of this country about preempti...