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[ indiscernible ] rob: nearly a dozen protesters arrested outside i.c.e. headquarters in washington after blocking every entrance to the building and stopping employees from getting inside. jillian: this comes days after an antifa arres arrest anarchisd by police after trying to fire bomb an i.c.e. facility. rob: why have democrats on this issue remained largely silent? here to discuss is retired i.c.e. agent, victor avala. thanks for coming on this morning. you heard yesterday a couple didn't want to say anything about it. why do you think that is? >> they're trying tovill to vy i.c.e. agents...

Between rhetoric and reality. what are you learning? >> this is such a significant point here, and the first time that we're hearing it first here on cnn, an i.c.e. official withnge of the i.c.e. operations in several states tells cnn that there has not been any surge in activity and says there has been no surge of arrests and activity. that i.c.e. agent went on to tell me that i.c.e. arrest people every day, but right now the quote was it's business as usual. i want to read some other quotes from the i.c.e. official. they tell us, this notion that we were going to do this massive sweep, to be...

One thing that they are telling these migrants is you do not have to open your doors when i come knocking unless these agents have assigned warrant from the judge all right so the strategy is perhaps not to open doors if an ice agent shows up but what about those who do get arrested what happens to those migrants. they are taking to detention centers as those that we have just seen in recent locations across the country from there the plan is to fly them back to their countries of origin as soon as possible and president trump has made it very clear that he wants those out of the country soone...

Want to leave? >> yes, he's achieved that. there's many people without a choice, he says. he knows the life he built california with his wife, can be knocked away by an i.c.e. agent. his first wife died in childbirth and he could not make enough money to provide for three children there. he entered illegally, missed a court date and the court ordered deportation. he's been trying to remedy it through the courts, which includes making scheduled visits with i.c.e., making him more vulnerable. at his church -- >> i'm putting myself, my church, at risk. they're willing to face consequences for the...

Judge. now, i.c.e. agents usually have just the administrative order. with just that administrative order, you do not need to open your door. you do not need to respond to that i.c.e. agent. the issue, though, is this -- let's be very honest about it. if i.c.e. comes to your door, and lawyers will tell us all the time that i.c.e. will come to the door, knock on the door, they'll say look, somebody's broken into your car. you have to come out and look at your car. person comes outside, they're detained. i.c.e. doesn't play like law enforcement because they're not law enforcement. their jobs as ...