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Healthy discussion. >> what you're saying is should the fisa court have known this about carter page. >> absolutely, yes, to make a full, informed decision on approving it, yes. >> so who dropped the ball on that? >> see, we need details. i hope we don't get finger-pointing at each other, but we need to know who knew what when, who disclosed was. i know the cia is very reticent to have their sources exposed, and understandably so. but this is the healthy discussion i'm hoping happens today, but i fear will not happen today. >> well, chuck -- >> yeah, go ahead. >> one point as we're diving into...

Intelligence services, our own origins of democracy. i think we all agree law enforcement needs checks and balances. we need to ensure that law enforcement is not abusing its considerable power. that's why we have mr. horowitz sitting in that seat. what he has come to tell us, we're not even hearing. >> as soon as we get a little more news from the hearing, senator feinstein giving the democrats' response, we'll cover some of that, as we covered some of graham. bob costa, i'm told, has been keeping in touch with his sources. bob, what are you hearing? >> talking to people close to president tr...

The justice department's inspector general, michael horowitz is set to testify before the senate judiciary committee in less than an hour. he is the man behind the newly released 434-page report which determined that although the fbi made, quote, serious errors in investigating alleged trump campaign ties to russia, the bureau was justified, according to horowitz, in opening the investigation and said there was no evidence that political bias influenced the fbi's decision-making. horowitz and his team looked at a million documents, spoke to more than 100 witnesses, and spent 20 months coming t...

Investigation into the trump campaign and its possible links to russia, but the attorney general bill barr has a problem with one key finding in that report -- that the fbi was not politically motivated when opening the investigation into the trump campaign. he voiced those concerns in an exclusive sit-down with our own pete williams yesterday. >> so, that's hard to explain, and i -- the core statement, in my opinion, by the ig, is that these irregularities, these misstatements, these omissions were not satisfactorily explained. and i think that leaves open the possibility to infer bad faith. ...

Out other ways that this could be. >> in fact, the answer that you played, i asked him almost that same question you asked me. i said, you know, could it be some other kind of bias, confirmation bias? >> right. >> but that's his view, and i think, chuck, you know, having covered michael horowitz for many years, i think what you're going to hear from him is a couple things. number one, he's going to be very careful to say that what the ig report says is, is that he found no testimonial or documentary evidence that the fbi acted with a political motive in either launching the investigation or se...