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BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 17, 2021 00:50:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 17, 2021 00:50:00

We always wanted to curb deforestation, but how to do it, how to do it? it's not to give money to international ngos that you don't know, don't have any accountability. it's to create green or... some serious ngos, ok, but that's not the only thing to do, and that's not the main thing to do. the main thing to do is to create conditions for the people to have decent livelihoods in the amazon. one of the things would be legal mining. legal mining under all the sustainable conditions could be good for the amazon. the demonisation of mining only creates the stimulus for illegal mining, which is so...

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 17, 2021 00:48:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 17, 2021 00:48:00

Environment minister, i devised the new brazilian national determined contribution, which foresaw decarbonisation by 2060, and maybe 2050 if we had some sort of financial counterpart to that. it was considered a very good contribution by the climate change institutions. so, so, hang on. so, if you and bolsonaro actually did feel that brazil should engage with this process, why is it that certainly for the two years you were foreign minister, all the statistics show that the rate of deforestation increased? they also show that impunity for illegal logging and mining actually prevailed right acr...

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 16, 2021 04:51:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 16, 2021 04:51:00

For illegal mining, which is something that, yes, that can create a problem... i don't think you're arguing with me that the bolsonaro administration has utterly failed to stop the illegal mining or indeed the illegal logging, but before we finish and we don't have much time, let's just get on to your analysis of where brazil sits in the international community today. i just wonder whether you feel that your foreign policy strategy, which was very loud, vocal support for donald trump, very loud, vocal condemnation of china, whether you think that that has been strategically wise for brazil. ye...

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 16, 2021 00:50:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 16, 2021 00:50:00

We always wanted to curb deforestation, but how to do it, how to do it? it's not to give money to international ngos that you don't know, don't have any accountability. it's to create green or... some serious ngos, ok, but that's not the only thing to do, and that's not the main thing to do. the main thing to do is to create conditions for the people to have decent livelihoods in the amazon. one of the things would be legal mining. legal mining under all the sustainable conditions could be good for the amazon. the demonisation of mining only creates the stimulus for illegal mining, which is so...

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 16, 2021 00:48:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk December 16, 2021 00:48:00

Environment minister, i devised the new brazilian national determined contribution, which foresaw decarbonisation by 2060, and maybe 2050 if we had some sort of financial counterpart to that. it was considered a very good contribution by the climate change institutions. so, so, hang on. so, if you and bolsonaro actually did feel that brazil should engage with this process, why is it that certainly for the two years you were foreign minister, all the statistics show that the rate of deforestation increased? they also show that impunity for illegal logging and mining actually prevailed right acr...