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>> they very cleverly cut in the fact he had the ethics violation and left congress with fannie mae and freddie mac. >> okay. >> that can cut down here. >> it can because of the foreclosure. but again, it doesn't deal with the romney problem. and ultimately, that's the issue. he has a message problem. >> who do you want fighting obama? chuck todd and howard fineman, thank you. you can watch the debate tonight at 9:00 eastern with brian williams. the big fight on nbc. coming up, the base is revolting. no one channels the right wing's hatred not just of barack obama better and that's ahead. you'...

About ryan and health care, medicare reform and this kind of thing. i think the overall republican message problem is simply a fear they have. i think the liberal aspects of the democrat party, the social political structures run washington. people never get out of high school. you all want to be in the big click. you always want to be approved. you have to be approved by the people who run the big clique if you want to get in the big clique. republicans brought into the notion over the years that moderates, are the key to victory. 20% who are undecided. let's get those people. we know 40% dem...

Is you cannot be argumentative. you can't appear partisan. and you can't appear extreme. you can't appear mean spirited. you have to be reasonable, calm and you can be critical of your opponent. republicans have bought this. all it is, a very clever trick by the left to get republicans to shut up. and not be passionate about themselves, defending what they believe in advancing their causes. it keeps them always on defense. the message problem stems from republicans more often than not, allowing any issue to be set by democrats and reacting always on defense. that's what that discussion was abo...

About ryan and health care, medicare reform and this kind of thing. i think the overall republican message problem is simply a fear they have. i think the liberal aspects of the democrat party, the social political structures run washington. people never get out of high school. you all want to be in the big click. you always want to be approved. you have to be approved by the people who run the big clique if you want to get in the big clique. republicans brought into the notion over the years that moderates, are the key to victory. 20% who are undecided. let's get those people. we know 40% dem...

Polls, some of the polls are not the most reliable polls. when people say that will independent voters say they'd rather have bush back after iraq and taking this economy doubling the national debt, bringing the deficit out of nowhere when clinton left it with a big fat surplus, why would you want that back? >> what a lot of voters were voting for, the miracle of obama wasn't that he got elected. he got elected in indiana, north carolina that didn't go democrat very often. he did that by grabbing independent voters sick of president bush who thought the country was going in the wrong direction...