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Forcing a jury and get inside of a mind of a killer or torturer and we should be looking at the crime that was committed and the crime committed in all the hate crimes so-called hate crimes and not putting people in jail because of thoughts but putting in jail for actions. >> i think there's an added element. when you have people who are taking actions because of your race, religion, faith, ethnicity, immigrant status, whatever and the whole idea behind hate crime legislation is it would be punitive, these people should be punished to the absolute extent of the law. >> hey, i think it would be...

In many hate cases you're forcing a jury and get inside of a mind of a killer or torturer and we should be looking at the crime that was committed and the crime committed in all the hate crimes so-called hate crimes and not putting people in jail because of thoughts but putting in jail for actions. >> i think there's an added element. when you have people who are taking actions because of your race, religion, faith, ethnicity, immigrant status, whatever and the whole idea behind hate crime legislation is it would be punitive, these people should be punished to the absolute extent of the law. >...

Believe. in many hate cases you're forcing a jury and get inside of a mind of a killer or torturer and we should be looking at the crime that was committed and the crime committed in all the hate crimes so-called hate crimes and not putting people in jail because of thoughts but putting in jail for actions. >> i think there's an added element. when you have people who are taking actions because of your race, religion, faith, ethnicity, immigrant status, whatever and the whole idea behind hate crime legislation is it would be punitive, these people should be punished to the absolute extent of t...

Destruction. but what she needs to do is try to get them to have some empathy for his upbringing his adolescence, his immigrant status and the coercive influence of his older brother. she's been very successful at being able to personalize her unlikable client so that the jury can see that. she did this with susan smith with respect to the woman that killed her two children. and she was able to successfully defend that case. and avoid the death penalty for her client. she represented other mass murderers as well and been successful. she does so because she brings in expertise to the matter bri...

>> judy clarke, the defense attorney in this case, one of the defense attorneys in this case, she has been very successful in arguing against the death penalty in other high profile cases. from what you know of her earlier cases, nothing's exactly like this, but the way she's defended other people, do you have any insight as to how she might go about arguing against having him put to death? >> there is. this defense team has been called the death penalty dream defense team. they have highly talented lawyers led bay judy clarke and what she's done in other cases is really tried to get the jury ...