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Prosecutors call crimes that are started but not completed. so conspeary, when you make the agreement to violate the law, you have committed a crime. you could have someone else soliciting someone to commit a crime. so we don't know the full range of his conduct. it seems likely that mueller does. there's reporting that says he's spoken with prosecutors, possibly under some kind of immunity order. that's the last piece of this. if he had immunity in exchange for his testimony, then he probably has little to know criminal liability. he will have traded that away in exchange for his testimony. i...

Clear about what a grant of immunity is, because this is not the same as being a cooperating witness. this is basically someone who has some legal exposure but has proffered enough to prosecutors of what he could offer that interests them enough to give them a free pass, basically, by granting immunity. this also affects, and we'll talk about this in a moment, again, david pecker from "the national inquirer," but weisselberg knows where all the bodies are buried financially in the trump organization. >> that's right, andrea. there are two different paths this could take. one is that weisselber...

Second which is if the president is really not a target of an obstruction investigation and if mueller is trying to get his testimony to understand the full parameters of what this is, they could well if he took the fifth issue an immunity order for him, obtain immunity and still obtain his testimony. in some respects he may not be able to avoid testifying because he is granted immunity. what do you think? >> i agree with that and another thing i would say is another issue is could he take a blanket fifth amendment? in other words, we talk a lot as taking the fifth as opting out of testifying ...

>> oh, yeah. when i was a prosecutor i had a witness in the grand jury. i asked him one question. do you know frank sinatra? he refused to answer. >> well, that seems like a big red flag. >> sure. i gave him an immunity order. i asked him do you know frank sinatra. he refused to answer. i took him before the judge, and he spent the next 18 months in prison under a contempt order. >> did you ever find fought he knew frank sinatra. >> oh, i knew he knew frank sinatra. >> there you go. >> but he could have at any point in time in those 18 months come out and testified, and he would have been out ...