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What that means, not only for local outbreaks, bigger outbreaks, in places like new york city and other big cities where they've seen virus and vaccinations. it hasn't led to a dramatic uptick in hospitalizations. i don't see a lot of covid patients in the er right now. we're not admitting a lot. that's not going to be true for every place in the country. so, these decisions might seem really difficult and hard to untangle, even two years in. but the fact is we are one country with many different subpopulations, or vacates vaccination, immunocompromised state, and people have a bit of empathy,...

One-way masking and it works, and i think that does work in that situation. in the immunocompromised, you are always going to be at a heightened risk for any respiratory virus and they have to be cautious, and it's important for them to think about wearing masks in those situations and it's important for them to have a plan to use drugs if they get sick, and the overarching point is we can't continue to think it's 2020 when it's 2022 and we have a whole slew of counter measures to contain covid, and we can't get that risk down to zero and if we don't take actions now, off-ramps now, i don't kn...

There's a lot of consternation over something that will change in two weeks. >> what about those immunocompromised, we have heard about them and kids that need to get a vaccine and can't wear a mask? >> for the immunocompromised, it's important to know that one-way masks work, and that's what i take care of people with tuberculosis, i wear a one-way mask and whether it's in transportation or a shopping mall or grocery store, one-way masking could work. for smaller children, i think you have to look at it on the base factors for severe disease in a child, and there are some that are too young t...

Me a little bit. if you're traveling in the next few days, next week or so, if you're healthy, no pre-existing conditions, would you recommend those folks wear a mask? and what about folks who may be compromised or traveling with kids who aren't able to get vaccinated? what do you recommend those folks do? >> no question if you're immunocompromised or if you have a household member or family member that's immunocompromised, kids under 5 or even elderly, my parents are over the age of 60, i recommend everyone in that group, first of all, get a booster if you're eligible and then wear a high-qua...

What would you advise them? >> chris, you make a couple of good points. if you are immunocompromised, if you are not vaccinated, yes, the recommendation is to wear a high quality masks. there are no n-95 masks which are available for young children and so of course we worry about that group. they can get kn-95s that are better fitting. but to your point there are a lot of stakeholders in this conversation. i would say that to me it's fairly clear and obvious that this was a politically motivated decision. it hasn't -- there's nothing in the explanation that the cdc has exceeded its statutory a...