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Second we thought we might have heard sets of pings. we heard the ping from the voice -- cockpit voice recorder. this leads me to my next question. here we are five weeks out. still despite all of the reports of possible pings, no debris has been found yet. is it possible -- does that give this whole theory of the plane being underwater more or less in tact more -- could that really be the situation? >> you know, i'm leaning more and more that way because of the fact that before, at first we were looking for debris and then we were going to have to reverse engineer or reverse track that debris...

Positive thing, because we've got, you know, the possibility -- i mean, the shot in the dark with that ship that is in port right now. >> michael kay? >> i think just again, we need to be best utilizing our assets to try and work out whether we're looking for the haystack or whether we're looking for the needle. there is effectively two independent searches going on. we're talking about, what rosa was talking about, what happens beyond the assumption of where the impact point was and how the currents might affect that. what i would like to go back and -- look at the assumptions where the impac...

We're looking for the haystack or whether we're looking for the needle. there is effectively two independent searches going on. we're talk whack rosa was talking about what happens beyond the assumption of where the impact point was and how the currents might affect that. what i would like to go back and interrogatory the assumptions where the impact point was. what i mean by that, how far it's traveled there are three to five assumptions that we're using. we're using speed, altitude, we're using endurance, how much fuel did it have. what was the track after the last transponder ping to when i...

Trash. >> tom, we've got assets in the area. we meaning the world is searching for anything that pertains to this plane. you've got the australian ship heading to the area with u.s. pinger on board to arrive in that search area by thursday with less than a week to go before the battery is expected to go out in the pinger of that flight data recorder. is it your feeling that it's smart to have those assets in the vicinity necessarily, if not an cater, they might know where this impact point is? >> i would think so, fredricka. if that device is going to swim around in the ocean and hope to get l...

Its best use here? >> i think the hope is rapidly fading the pinger will be affected. after all you've got to, as one of the naval people said, you've got to find the impact point. debris is the starting point, the endpoint. the key part is to find impact. it's only there where you'll have any chance at all of finding crucial information. >> captain darby, help us understand how this technology would work. you were describing to me you're talking about technology that can detect this pinger if it's 20,000 feet away. however, you've got to be right on top of it. it's not the idea ofette has to ...