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Proven in court. that's the standard. >> how is the president not above the law if he is able to stop investigations into him or that he does not like? >> the president is not above the law, but the president is a unique feature of our constitutional system, and he has the authority to make kpktive decisions, which include who are those who are loyal to him who feel executive branch functions. and to try to then in every instance equate motivation to make an executive determination is somehow constituting obstruction of justice i think is on thin constitutional ice. i think it's on very thin s...

These charges are true, well, they were or are crimes depending on the statute of limitations and the circumstances. they fit clearly in the impeachment article, the criteria tore impeachment. blackface is horrible, terrible. i've argued against it for years and urged that some students be suspended or even expelled on account of it. but it's not in the same category of crime. and that makes it more difficult. and it goes back to 1980 or 1984, depending on whether you're talking about the governor. these alleged rapes or sexual assaults go back to 2000 and 2004. so they occurred decades after ...

Have some discussion if there's wrongdoing by other people in the campaign that i know about, which i know of none, if there is i would testify honestly i would honestly testify honestly about any other matter, including any conversations with the president. >> maureen dowd makes the connection in her column in "the new york times" writing, stone, who famously has nixon's face tattooed on his back about, is the agent provocateur who is the through line from the nixon impeachment article to the article about trump's impossible impeachment and that's where we start. joining us today, some of our...

As if they are gospel, only to be completely burned when they may end up to be not true. all these things could be problematic, and he may, rudy giuliani, may be taking trump's dismissive attitude towards the facts in their private meetings too far. it's a trap that many defense attorneys fall into. rudy giuliani needs to be very careful and verify facts on his own end independent of what his client tells him. >> even if trump was not directing cohen to lie, we only have to go back 20 years to see impeachment article passed by the house of representatives against bill clinton for essentially c...

Normal. >> so it is possible that happened. that president trump talked to michael cohen. >> i don't know if it happened or didn't happen. i have no knowledge. >> one of the things he pled guilty to, i believe, is lying to congress. >> he's pleading guilty to get a reduced sentence which means he's saying what they want him to say. so what if he talked to him about it. >> is it not possible. >> i'll turn to you quickly before we get into the impeachment article. your reaction to that. and so what? have you ever said that in court? any officer in court has turned to the officer of the court. so...