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The previous three impeachment cases, johnson in 1868 and nixon and bill clinton, there was more evidence he did what he was accused of. the question was whether or not that net criteria of high crimes and misdemeanors. and it's whether or not is evidence and more importantly whether they should use that for what they consider the good of the country. >> what do you think about chairman schiff saying one of the impeachable offences is bribery? >> that's reallyinatesting because it you want to go back the founding fath rtz, they used the word bribery in a different sense and one more applicable...

Presidency. >> no doubt about it. everything that happens from this point on will look back and say this is where the story changed. what's really fascinating is to see how the story is changing from the white house. and from republicans supporters at this point. who really have moved their discussion in many ways from a question of whether or not the president did something to essentially conceding something was done and asking us to consider what it means. the reason social security significant each priest three impeachment cases we had. 1868. nixon and clinton. there was no discussion in ea...

The case. the argument he can't say anything beyond the 448 pages of the report just strikes me as untrue. there are major questions that have to be answered. what i did hear mueller saying pretty clearly is i'm not going to be your messiah. i'm not going to deliver a verdict. all all impeachment cases, this is a conflict of legal and political issues and ethical judgments that only congress itself can resolve. people keep looking to bob mueller to sort of give us the answer and he demurred. >> california democratic kamala harris who spoke a few moments

Subpoena eventually. the time hurts the president because this cloud and the drama that's going to hang over him in the midterm elections, time is on mueller's side, not president trump's. >> you've got two good guests here tonight. you've got my colleague, who's worked with mueller, and i've represented a lot of public officials including in impeachment cases. and i will tell you this. i think it is incredibly unlikely, vanishingly unlikely that the president is going to sit for an interview or testimony. and i'll also tell you there's nothing that special counsel mueller can do to force him ...

But he's saying basically, we'll only answer questions if there's no exposure for the president if he lies. there's no such question that bob mueller is going to agree to. of course he's going proceed. and i'll tell you right now that i've done an analysis. i've written a lot about the law. i think that in the end of the day given the overwhelming evidence here, the u.s. v. nixon precedent, similar but not identical, that the president's going to be forced to appear for a testimony under a mueller subpoena eventually. the time hurts the president because this cloud and the drama that's going t...