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Presidency. at every turn they have tried to obstruct fact and truth. and that's what we're watching again today. if you watch the lawyers, if you watch particularly the first lawyer that the democrats brought up, it was as if james madison had conjured donald trump when the impeachment claus was being argued and madison was laying down who should be impeached and why it was a box right around donald trump. and his conduct. >> ross gasher with, you're the impeachment expert what did you make of the testimony. >> i thought it was interesting in the way they set the table. brought everybody back...

Through october. it was in early september when he started sending text messages to the u.s. ambassador to the eu, questioning the u.s. security assistance and why it was being when would. and there are a number of text messages. and so what he's going to do is detail why he was sending those questions to ambassador sondland and also fill in some of the gaps. the conversations he was having in between sending those text messages, but we also know, poppy, that he's heading back to ukraine tomorrow. he wants to carry on. he wants to keep this hard work going because u.s./ukraine policy really ne...

Isn't it just about getting to the truth and actually the rule of law in two coequal branches of government. jeremy, thank you so much. i'm going to get off of my soapbox and bring in other people. cnn elie honig, and ross garver, somewhat of an impeachment expert that we rely and cnn political correspondent abby phillip. what dot democrats do now? i guess in the short term, it's move to subpoenas. but if the white house is nowly since it was playing nice so far before, what do they do? >> yeah, we'll see how far the resistance from the white house at this point goes. it seems like, based on o...

Caucus has been we will impeach but what do we get him on. jerry nadler became the top democrat on the judiciary committee last year not because he was promising a change to the bankruptcy code. he said i'm the impeachment expert. we'll figure out the details later. >> he was the senior member anyway. jerry nadler didn't jump to the front of the line because he was talking about impeachment or indictments. he earned it. >> expectations among the base that they will get trump. >> some of the issues that they're pursuing are down right silly looking and if they indict the president on something ...

Democrats, i would guess that there is going to be continued pressure on the mueller team not to give this up. to continue to look, dig, find, whatever they can find to make the president look bad. >> well, if he is being cheered on by a new democratic majority in the house, it would be impossible to assume that this investigation, this process is being conducted in good faith when you look at the expected incoming chair of the house judiciary committee jerry nadler, got his position by a year ago telling democrats i'm the impeachment expert. this is before the case has been made, before forma...