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Mexican officials claim it burst into flames. the family says it's not true. their belongings were found outside the car, and the gang, they say, set it on fire, victims inside, sending up a column of smoke to lure the rival cartel into a trap. >> there were reports that they shot this vehicle until it blew up, but we now have details and no that's not true. we believe they may have been used as bait to try and attract the cartel in the sonora to th them. >> so, whether they were bait, a random victim, who were a target of a kidnapping, none of this is good for mexico or the backbone of their ...

"the new york times." and here come with the impetus is the whistleblower. those are important, that is the match that starts the wildfire. you are absolutely right. what is are sitting there going, "is it worth it again? is a big enough? is this it, is this the one? is this where the wheels come off the wagon?" >> melissa: when they said they were gasping as they were hearing testimony, and we are looking at the transcripts. "what were you a gasping at?" what do you think about ambassador bolton now officially not going in today? "if you subpoena me i'm going to fight it." what do we think ab...

Their time on him at all. they have good witnesses already. they've done their closed hearings. they have bill taylor. they have lieutenant colonel vindman. they have marie yovanovitch. they have ambassador mckinley. they have people who have credibility, who have given a lifetime of service to the country, who are nonpartisan and who have come forward and testified under oath to the facts. and so amongst those witnesses and maybe a couple others, they'll determine which ones they want to have come in public and give more testimony. but i don't think they need rudy and, you know, there is tran...

The country deserves to hear from josh bolten under oath. he's one of the people at the center of all this. we deserve to hear from giuliani under oath, from mulvaney under oath. anderson, as i go back to think about these things, remembering another crisis and another administration when reagan was president in the iran-contra scandal broke. the president was in deep trouble. there was talk of impeachment. what did he do? he said, look, we're sending everybody up that the hill wants to hear from. we're going to send every document up. we're going to clean house inside, and we're going to play...

President's defenders or maybe affiliates in congress or others who are observing from the outside, commentators say, well, the institutions are holding up, you know, this is just a lot of bluster that comes out of the white house. these aren't things to be really worried about. these transcripts show that the institutions are under tremendous strain. >> well, also, david, strain from the guy who's running the state department. i mean we talk about secretary of state pompeo. his former adviser, mike the mckinley, who we've just been reading about, he says that on three occasions he broached wi...