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>> we had two impeachments, neither one tore the government apart. impeachment of clinton did not tear the country apart. the trial in the senate wasn't even suspenseful. there wasn't a sense of a possibility of him being removed. his popularity went up during the impeachment process. doesn't it exaggerate the drama, in fact they had two impeachment processes without any real stress at all? >> it depends on the circumstances. the clinton impeachment was so clearly frivolous and so clearly nonsense and so clearly political that i don't think anybody really took it that seriously. and there was ...

Don't know what percent, but an appreciable percentage of them to agree you had to do it because you don't want to tear the country apart. and if you can't do that, you're not going to have a successful impeachment anyway because you need the senate. >> we had two impeachments, neither one tore the government apart. impeachment of clinton did not tear the country apart. the trial in the senate wasn't even suspenseful. there wasn't a sense of a possibility of him being removed. his popularity went up during the impeachment process. doesn't it exaggerate the drama, in fact they had two impeachme...

As a result, on january 1st, 2019, impeachment processes will probably start against donald trump. and that's why the polling matters. >> i'm also looking at this poll where it says 44% say the pick should be moderate. 34% conservative. 20% say liberal. which means 64% of the people are not going to get their way. it's not going to be a moderate or liberal for sure. i was watching chuck this weekend on "meet the press" and i was listening to maria cantwell who was talking about something we haven't heard a lot. she says one of the things she wants to hear this nominee say, is the president abl...

>> well, a couple of things. it is an exercise of wisdom and judgment and not just logic, so that a special counsel might well think that he should defer to the house of representatives and their impeachment processes in a trial by the senate. that would be particularly commendable in circumstances where it's -- the crimes are of a political nature. but suppose the crimes are more ordinary criminal cases like tax evasion or money laundering. in that case, the independent counsel could file an indictment naming multiple defendants. a president might say, oh, you have to strike me from the indic...

President would ultimately be accountable for any criminal activity. >> even if he was, maybe after he was out of office, right? >> yes, yes. even if you have to wait until he's out of office. >> all right. so there's so much swirling around president trump. let's start with the special counsel, robert mueller's investigation. he's looking at collusion or conspiracy from a legal perspective. obstruction of justice also possible and appropriate financial connections to russia, that could all involve the president. how would charges stemming from mueller's investigation be brought? >> well, a co...