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Keep secret other things that might be important and so you know, we see these other countries and their intelligence community who just don't want to be a part of all that. >> and the thing is we've seen what happened with the ukraine with the quid pro quo. you can only imagine what william barr is saying to foreign agencies to get some of this dirt for this so called investigation. as he is going out trying to get this information from foreign intelligence agency, his own department of justice dismissed the ukraine call. >> i was just going to say, you know, we're talking about a sitting uni...

Say, wait a minute. we have constitutional obligations and we can't follow this path. and we have if bill clinton could be taken through an impeachment process for perjury of justice, there is no way we can credit when i say to any republicans this shouldn't happen for donald trump. >> and there are many people serving in congress who voted to impeach bill clinton on precisely those items. lindsey graham is one of those, for example. >> and yet lindsey graham suggested that what happened today is not so relevant for them for an impeachment standpoint. >> i think you'll hear more of that. thank...

Obligations and we can't follow this path. and we have if bill clinton could be taken through an impeachment process for perjury of justice, there is no way we can credit when i say to any republicans this shouldn't happen for donald trump. >> and there are many people serving in congress who voted to impeach bill clinton on precisely those items. lindsey graham is one of those, for example. >> and yet lindsey graham suggested that what happened today is not so relevant for them for an impeachment standpoint. >> i think you'll hear more of that. thank you both. all right. i would be truly remi...

Gnat out there buzzing around. he has his head down, he's moving around. this is nothing more than giuliani trying to shape the narrative, get us talk about whether or not he has the ability to move forward. it is a good argument. >> when you don't know what the investigator has, maybe all you have is to try to get on the public and shape that narrative. maybe that's it. >> i think it is right, but i think what he's doing is he's -- he's saying things that kind of throw a curve at it without necessarily being well grounded in the law and the facts. and if he thinks about it, even from an impea...