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And until that happens, the country's at risk. people are going to be suffering and we'll not be doing the right thing. so i think it's the crisis and, therefore, we should deal with it directly. >> all right. so when you say it's the crisis, look, you're being very clear where you stand. so you're holding this event in the district of congressman jerry nadler. now, jerry nadler is very important, right? he's the chairman of the committee that would initiate the impeachment proceedings and he's been extremely careful, as you are probably painfully aware, to not jump on the impeachment train. h...

On that train need to be careful on that. >> joni, do you think you're being too quick to jump on the impeachment train as kinzinger says? >> it doesn't mean to has to be a criminal act. there is remarkable consensus among constitutional scholars, and goes back to the convention in 1789 and followed forward through time. an impeachable offense is one in which the president betrays the public trust and undermines his office. it's a broad -- deliberately broad term of legal art that's adopted from british common law and brought over to the american context. and so the question here isn't, actual...

I don't think that we have to do oversight or push policy points. i think you do both. >> mm-hmm. >> i, for one, don't think that we should get on an impeachment train. i know that's what people talk about. you need to do your oversight, wait on mueller. you need to do those things that are necessary to provide and do your duties. but i think that democrats have to have big and bold ideas. i mean college affordability, criminal justice reform. i'm saying all of this knowing that it may -- >> gun control. >> will die in the senate. >> pre-existing conditions. >> common sense gun reform, which p...

I think they ought to be wary of creating opportunities for the president to accuse them of overreach or accuse them of just being frivolous with their power. and beyond that, on the legislating, they have to figure out, okay, so what do you do about trump and trade? trade has typically been a democratic priority. people in the rust belt like sherrod brown talking about how they can make that argument to their voters. what if democrats and donald trump are on the same page? how do you navigate that situation in the house of representatives, especially when you're going toward 2020, and you wan...

Their worry, look our guy is at risk. >> there's also this that devin nunes said as it relates to rod rosenstein and for example impeachment. listen. >> the senate would have to drop everything they are doing and start with impeachment on rosenstein. then you take the risk of not getting kavanaugh confirmed. so it's a -- it's not a matter -- it's a matter of timing. >> so not a new idea, matt, right, but what does it say to you about the possibility if or when kavanaugh gets confirmed, the supreme court pick, that then this -- this idea of the impeachment train for rod rosenstein gets back on ...