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Death, mostly because they don't have any assets on the ground. nato was operating from the air. they don't have intelligence sources on the ground who were anal to confirm -- able to confirm. we were watching the same video that you just showed, and what it appeared, it did appear that gadhafi had a head wound and a bullet behind his ear, but it's not clear whether nato airstrikes played any role in his death. jenna: and probably some lack of clarity on that for at least a couple hours as we continue to work through this story. jennifer, i'm sure you can see on our screen some of the celebrat...

Shoulders and police officers, and we didn't get the same warm and fuzzy feeling from them as we did from the libyan people. they liked us, they welcomed us, they were very, very friendly, very accommodating. they would invite us into their homes. again, they were real people who gave up real jobs to pursue what they felt we had and what they wanted which was democracy. jon: they have oil supplies and money. >> they do have a lot of money. i was eupl expressed when i saw people volunteering to direct traffic. ordinary people were on street corners directing traffic. you have had many different...

Those who died. jenna: some of these more important questions, what's next for the country, we can't forget this family affected by his rule. rick, thank you very much. that's an important reminder. jon: so it appears that the longtime dictator is dead. joining us now on the phone from libya is ann mar low, she is an occasional best of this program -- guest of this program, also a visiting fellow at the hudson institute and currently working on a book about libya's first year of freedom. she is based in a town about 70 miles outside of tripoli. has the word gotten there yet, ann? is. >> thank ...

Sheet of paper. you have those exemptions for adults and for kids. so it's an easy way to go. you don't get caught up on do we exempt food from a sales tax? do we have rebate for a sales tax? make it simple and perry is going to do that. jenna: simple sounds good right now. to fill everybody in the plan no income taxes on families until they think $36,000. every after that gets taxed at 17%. we don't have details for that. we'll wait for that. we'll wait for your official endorsement and we'll look forward to talking to you when you decide, sir. steve, thank you very much for joining us. we al...

Jon: i want to get your take on something judy miller told me this morning. she is a pulitzer prize-winning reporter who is also a fox news contributor. she says that the next 48 hours are crucial in determining whether the tnc can hang on. she says there's, essentially, no law, order or security in libya, and if tnc cannot maintain order for these next 48 hours, we're in real trouble. your response? >> well, when i and senators rubio, kirk and graham were there, there's law and order. there's checkpoints. it's far different from baghdad, very frankly, after baghdad fell to us. um, they have a...