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With. i think definitely there were mistakes all along the way. in the bush administration and the obama administration, and we need to take stock. >> also, just this conversation is not to take anything away from the sacrifices made by american forces or other forces. >> we need to talk about that. those sacrifices have been put in some jeopardy now. you can talk to marines who fought in fallujah. it was the worst battle since vietnam. >> not just street by street, it was house by house, inch by inch. >> to see the black flag of al qaeda flying over fallujah again is a humiliation. they were ...

Is not to take anything away from the sacrifices made by american forces or other forces. >> we need to talk about that. those sacrifices have been put in some jeopardy now. you can talk to marines who fought in fallujah. it was the worst battle since vietnam. >> not just street by street, it was house by house, inch by inch. >> to see the black flag of al qaeda flying over fallujah again is a humiliation. they were going to pull out, but there was no successful attempt to keep a proper force there to prevent against this kind of thing. everybody can argue why, but that's what you do. when you...

I mean, what should -- what was the point? >> well, this isn't a surprise to me, judge. >> why? >> the reason it's not a price is because iraq is connected to syria. like afghanistan's connected to pakistan. what happens is that al qaeda thrive in ungoverned spaces. and the leader of al qaeda in iraq, baghdadi, has moved to syria to regenerate the al qaeda cause in the form of isis. >> he's the guy against assad in syria? >> yeah, they're the guys colluding with the fsa, the interfrictions there. >> the syrian army. >> right. but what's going on in iraq, in terms of the al qaeda in fallujah, i...

I mean, what should -- what was the point? >> well, this isn't a surprise to me, judge. >> why? >> the reason it's not a price is because iraq is connected to syria. like afghanistan's connected to pakistan. what happens is that al qaeda thrive in ungoverned spaces. and the leader of al qaeda in iraq, baghdadi, has moved to syria to regenerate the al qaeda cause in the form of isis. >> he's the guy against assad in syria? >> yeah, they're the guys colluding with the fsa, the interfrictions there. >> the syrian army. >> right. but what's going on in iraq, in terms of the al qaeda in fallujah, i...

The panel perhaps yelling at me, i'd like to just mention one little thing you mentioned it right at the top of the last hour. there are other things going on. >> in the world. >> marines who fought in fallujah and lost lives, 2004 and 2005 over a hundred marines are killed and fallujah is back seemingly in the hands of al qaeda. we should think about those things. >> we are getting to those things next block alex tells us. david gregory thank you and chuck as well. david axelrod, greatly appreciate you being here. coming up, unemployment benefits hit a snag in the senate and update from sen...