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>> fair enough. >> they sell exclusively flavors. so the question really is, i don't think we need to argue the virtue of youth not using these products. we all agree that they shouldn't. enjoy, reynolds american represents number two and three in the country. 8 in the absence of juul represent the balance of the electronic cigarette market 1.2 and 2.4 youth lose. >> where is reynolds? >> we believe that you can market flavors responsibly, in president. 90% of our youth consumers are above the age of 25. >> you are still doing flavors. >> yes, we are. >> juul is not doing it. and you are doing...

Is just the opposite. we have seen an epidemic among our kids that i haven't seen in ever before. we now have more kids using nicotine products than at any time in the last 20 years. and what's more disturbing about it, is that 34 % of the kids who use these products, use them more than 20 days a month which means they are hooked. they can't quit. we have stories of young people who say i started it because it was cool and literally within days i lost control. kids sleep with these products because they need to wake up in the middle of the night. this is something we can do something about. fd...

>> that's regardless of age. >> we took it out. we took out all of our flavor including mint. we sell menthol and tobacco. we will defer to the fda. >> who makes the flavors? you are the biggest of the group. who makes the flavors? different company? >> different companies. >> they continue to make flavors. >> yes. >> mr. president, we are the second largest vaping company. for every juul product one enjoy used. used for juul. it's not necessarily a flavor problem. there are two unassailable facts. the youth problem is a huge problem and flavors definitively contribute to it. but, on the other...

>> yes. >> they're going to make it? >> believe that. >> instead of reynolds or juul or, you know, legitimate companies, good companies making something that's safe, they are going to be selling stuff on the street corner that could be horrible. that's the one problem i can't seem to forget. i mean, i have seen. >> you hit the nail on the head, mr. president. >> you have to look at the history of it. now, instead of having a flavor that's at least safe, they are going to be having a flavor that's poison. that's a big problem. >> sir. [multiple people speaking] >> very large cigarette companies...