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The conduit for christopher steele, bruce ohr, the fourth highest ranking official at the doj, that dossier was leaked to the press. why? to lie to you, the american people, and influence an election. to help hillary. this is kind of like what she did to bernie. it was used as the basis of the fisa warrants against the trump campaign associate, carter page, signed off on byra multie officials, including comey, including mccabe, including yates and rod rosenstein himself. after the election, the dossier the then used again as basis, the fundamental basis for what we now know to be mueller's wit...

Hillary clinton got a letter from the fbi ten days beforehand, that was absolutely devastating to her campaign. everything the fbi did in the home stretch was to donald trump's benefit and hillary clinton's detriment. including mccabe's leak. now for somebody not to understand that, i mean, seriously, suggests only one thing -- and that is, they are either intentionally lying or they are too stupid to handle household appliances. i leave it to you, willie to decide which it is. >> i can't believe it's the appliance part, toasters aren't that hard so it has to be the willful thing. these are th...

I read today that some fbi people say this not the role for an fbi director. former. >> dana: in the npr interview today, he is saying maybe i could've done that. maybe i could've done that and there's different ways he could have done it. what's interesting today, in minnesota, and fbi agent pled guilty to leaking to the media. there are consequences being paid by fbi agents for the very thing we are talking about with other fbi agents. including mccabe. the other thing is, what he has done is alienated himself so much. i am sure the book will sell. that goal is not a problem. but if you, i d...

Most of these men, including mccabe, are republicans. now that he's been fired, though, is he free to speak freely about what he knows now that he's been fired? josh? >> well, to some extent. as a former government employee who had a security clearance, he would be bound by the restrictions. but does allow him to speak as far as his response to the political attacks he has seen on himself, on his wife, on his family over the course of the last year and a half. this is something that's unprecedented, to have a career serva servant, the deputy director of the fbi, who is now the focus of attacks...

With the president. does jeff sessions think this is going to keep him from groveling to the president? >> i'm not sure. quick mccabe specific point on this. simply that, look, to me, this reminds of the comey firing. it seems like even though as josh said this should be a situation where if someone in the fbi, including mccabe, has not been fully truthful, then they have to face the consequences. but this looks like a punishment in search of a transgression. rather than a transgression that's followed by a punishment. you remember when comey was fired last may, there were two reasons given. t...