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You're pete buttigieg and you're more centrist and there are a lot of voters who think bernie sanders or elizabeth warren can't beat donald trump, that it actually helps you? or do you brush it off and say he's our best hope? >> i think that's where a lot of candidates see a lot of opportunity. what we know from the polls, including his, including sanders, including warren, while support may be there shows them as running above other candidates, it's still soft support. and a lot of voters are saying i still have top five. i still have top three. i'm still looking to see who really breaks out ...

If it just felt uncomfortable on both sides. i'm not sure. but let me ask you about senator warren criticism -- one of the places she faced criticism was for the language she uses surrounding the wealth tax. senator klobuchar criticized her for acting as if she's the only candidate interested in taxing billionaires. >> i want to give a reality check here to elizabeth because no one on this stage wants to protect billionaires. not even the billionaire wants to protect billionaires. we just have different approaches. your idea is not the only idea. >> what do you make of that exchange? >> i thou...

Another good debate. she was able to articulate her policy vision. stuff i don't agree with, but i think a lot of primary voters do. secondly, she came out of that debate untouched by her primary opponent. she took no friendly fire and there was none of the differences against her or her record. i think senator sanders at some point if he wants to have a chance in this race, but didn't last night. >> dana: what do you make of that, sanders and warren almost seem to have an alliance of fighting back as revolutionaries against moderates. >> there's no need for them to go at each other yet. they ...

Different policies here. sanders talked about a lot of these policies in 2016 and brought a lot of democrats on board, including warren. and they're competing for a similar section of progressive voters. but warren has been rising and sanders has sort of been stagnant or falling in polls. so it's going to be competitive. and around them are a whole bunch of moderate democrats. the first night there's a group of democrats who need to break through. and so these people have been attacking sanders for medicare for all i expect that to continue. steve bullock, john delaney, they're going to contin...

Sanders talked about a lot of these policies in 2016 and brought a lot of democrats on board, including warren. and they're competing for a similar section of progressive voters. but warren has been rising and sanders has sort of been stagnant or falling in polls. so it's going to be competitive. and around them are a whole bunch of moderate democrats. who like a.b. mentioned the first night, there's a group of democrats who really need to break through. and so these people have been attacking sanders for medicare for all. i expect that to continue. steve bullock, john delaney, these are folks...