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You have half the room in there own working to defend the president. we've never seen that before either. >> if i were a prosecutor and i were prosecuting you for a felony and i went to a federal judge and said, judge, trust me, chris is guilty, i want an order he can't rebut the witnesses, he can't call any witnesses, he can't have any evidence in court. i would either end up in hand cuffs or a straight jacket. >> this is the difference. this is the indictment phase. even if it goes through the judiciary and they bring articles of impeachment, that is tantamount to an indictment. when you are...

Can't call any witnesses, he can't even have his lawyer in court. i would either end up in hand cuffs or a straight jacket. >> this is the difference. this is the indictment phase. even if it goes through the judiciary and they bring articles of impeachment, that is tantamount to an indictment. when you are being investigated for possible crimes, rudy giuliani ain't part of the investigation right now, he may want them to talk to him but we both know they don't have to. the only difference is this room has half of room of prosecutors working very hard to find him not guilty of anything. >> wel...

Was my client's conduct in each and every turn of the stop that they made when he was in that van. >> from the state's attorney office what is next for her and that investigation? >> you know there are claims for her to recuse herself and calls for a special prosecutor to be appointed. there was a donation to your campaign that was represented by the gray family. that not enough. the fact her husband is a kouns sillman is not enough. i think she will stay on the case and continue to investigate. nothing precludes the defense team from engaging in their own independent investigation to they wil...

You find him in serious, serious trouble. next week, there will be what really will look like a trial. the report that comes from the house ethics committee which is not given us yet the detailed charges is sort of the indictment phase and then next week there would be both democrats and republicans if it goes this far to hear the evidence in an open court-like setting. and that is politically terribly embarrassing, not just for rangel but for democrats and in this very difficult year so that's sort of the bigger picture. for a sense of rangel handling this, the 80-year-old met with some repor...