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Large but especially info ops and misinformation campaigns. >> well, the misinformation campaign is something that i'm not sure we're at the bottom of yet. and it needs to continue to had examined. when i was on armed services committee, i got legislation passed to review our entire defense department situation to see how vulnerable we are there. and we have many vulnerabilities in our defense department. and our missile systems perhaps. and then we've got the commercial penetration that we have some cases that are ongoing now that validate that concern quite clearly. >> so that's looking chie...

Air force, marines and might have a little bit of an intel community and a little bit of intel ops, info ops campaign going, what is the russian investment? >> i can't give you a figure. i will say though that in comparison to classical military expenditures it's -- it's a bargain for them, and, of course what, they are looking for particularly in europe is sow dissension, split unity and, of course, end sanctions, and if they can drive wedges between and among the european nations by -- and particularly by their manipulating and influencing elections they are going to do it. >> director, do y...

And they all know this, it doesn't matter what party they might vote for, lots of spies don't even vote. there is no debate in the intelligence committee about what putin did in 2016 and what he's doing with info ops and propaganda now is when people do in the future. it is not a bad thing to meet with people you don't agree with on every issue but you start by being strong. start by explaining who we are and what we believe. we were weak yesterday on the global stage. >> dana: let me ask you, a lot of people are saying, well, russia might have meddled in our election but so what, america has ...