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Of trump across the tabloid's entire website. anderson? >> randy, thanks very much. one of the journalists who reported extensively about the relationship between donald trump and david pecker long before any others, new yorker magazine's ronan farrow. given all your reporting on this, you've been leading the way on this story, were you surprised that donald trump was actually in the meeting that david pecker and michael cohen had? >> not even slightly. this was very clearly a close relationship. these were catch and kill operations that trump had direct knowledge of, according to every source...

The contribution itself is not illegal. but the fact he didn't report it is illegal. on the other case, a.m.i., it's a corporate contribution, somebody else, if he directed it you have a different story. that is an illegal contribution. so i think they're two different things. i don't know all the facts of the a.m.i. i don't think we know that yet. but to me the most damaging thing is the fact the president isn't coming -- hasn't come clean over the course of time. >> anderson, anderson, putting aside the whole issue of how amazing it is to listen to rick santorum who made his entire career su...

About donald trump. and at the time, as you pointed out, they claimed adamantly to me and to you when you did interviews around this, that this was purely a matter of journalistic integrity, that they had elected due to their own discretionary calls not to run these but in each case, we spoke to numerous sources around us that said otherwise, exactly what ami is admitting to now. it was designed to influence the election. >> what we've seen over the last two years or so, so many people say one thing in public, deny everything, and lie to the american public. only when they are under oath or si...

Meeting with michael cohen and david pecker, the head of the company that owns "the national enquirer" as pecker offered to help the campaign identify negative stories about his relationships with women, stories that would then be killed, kept from the public. this is from a court document in the immunity deal that the company, ami has reached with prosecutors. one sentence caught our eye when this story came out yesterday. i'm quoting. in or about august 2015, david pecker, the chairman and chief executive officer of ami, met with michael cohen, an attorney for presidential candidate and at l...

Surprised that donald trump was actually in the meeting that david pecker and michael cohen had? >> not even slightly. this was very clearly a close relationship. these were catch and kill operations that trump had direct knowledge of, according to every source i talked to throughout this reporting. and this was a long-standing arrangement that they had by all accounts. >> and what's so fascinating, they denied catch and kill. i mean, first of all, explain what catch and kill is. but they also -- a.m.i., they always said we don't engage in that. now they have admitted, yeah, that's what they d...