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>> no, because there has been a created -- no, but it's also an obsession. the fact is we didn't leak the document. that russian document. >> the intelligence community -- >> you don't know that they didn't. chris: i know. but the point is it was mr. trump who compared it to nazi germany. >> from well, listen, what is it? if you have confidential, top secret information being -- chris: it's not nazi germany. >> it's something pretty rotten. chris: i agree with that. >> okay, good. the obsession over what he said in front of the memorial wall, what he's trying to explain to the folks there, and...

I think the explanation is simpler. we're going into a environment where the biggest thing has been not just russian hacking, it's about russian engagement in altering potentially a u.s. election. that's a debate. in the middle of that you're getting information that i believe is not only unverified but i think this is a false document. i don't buy it. information being circulated among sen tors on the hill related to russian efforts to acquire information to effect u.s. politicians. you have a choice. are you going to tell the president or not? i think this is a questionable voice. i think th...

About with mh370 where it's satellite related. this is a ground-based system that does flight tracking. similar information being sent back to say, here's where we are. it's not nearly as sophisticated as it was or should have been on mh370, nor any airline that crosses large oceans. so that is a little bit different. but it is certainly just as capable because of the fact that it's more land based. i'll have to look to see exactly where it was, because there seems to be some dispute about how far along in the flight the aircraft was. when we get that information, we'll come back and tell you ...

Government being hacked, information being leaked. that information being on someplace called the dark web, that is available for distribution. i mean if you, if you're one of those opm records, andrea, i think you're one of those records. >> i got the letter. >> your information is out there. i guarranty it is for sale out there. what they're trying to do, they're doing this to companies. they will try to bring down these companies. they're already -- not just china. it is not just russia. it is isis, it is other organizations that see this as real vulnerability of america and we do not have ...

Anybody else who can come forward to shed some more light on this. that's going to be the answer. it's going to come from that. >> okay. final question to you, paul butler. you're listening to evan and a lot of people questioning the transparency of this police department and all this information being handed over to the state's attorney. as you're listening to all of this what's your takeaway today? >> so, you know in high-profile cases, there's always this need to preserve the integrity of the investigation, but that has to be balanced against the public's right to know. when the police enco...