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Is it a valid concern that there is a disinformation campaign that it is targeting hispanic, spanish speaking voters? >> katie, it's not just a valid concern, it's a valid fact. we have seen this by design effort to create information bubbles, now targeting, really, what the republican party wants to create as their conservative base. to isolate them from mainstream, fact based news than information, so that they are being given, if you will, state propaganda or republican propaganda that only conforms to the elements of the discourse they want their voters to hear. what you see now, in this a...

We saw this week, katie, that the rnc, republican national committee, voted he panama city to say that we are out of the presidential debates. the reason for that, also, is to get, literally, those debates and their viewers from watching mainstream networks and to keep them isolated in their information bubble. if you're worried about disinformation, if you're worried about the effect of this being done on in this case spanish voters, i would call this something akin to a defcon one moment. you have to be very careful. unless the fcc steps in and regulates this false disinformation speech, i t...

Shows 70% or i forget what it was in russia, can that be right? >> i think it could be in the point of view that you're asking people that live in a totalitarian regime and they know if they're asked a question and they say anything negative that they may pay for it, number one. or two, they really are in an information bubble and everything they're hearing is probably fairly positive 6789 so the pay that polls are taken in russia and the way information is con trained and filtered, i think it's likely that the polls are there, but putin is only fooling himself if he thinks that some measure o...

Come on, man. they said "hang you" and then you're going to turn around and downplay it? come on, man. >> crazy. >> it's just crazy to me. and honestly, the -- maybe i'd be more afraid of the sort of gaslighting element of this, except there's thousands of hours of tape, reams of documents, and you've just had sedition charges filed for january 6th. so, yeah, they can try and gaslight all they want, but there's like tons of evidence to contradict their gaslighter. it might work in some corners of the world where there is an information bubble and facts can't necessarily get in. but for the mai...

It's just, like, come on, man. they said "hang you" and then you're going to turn around and downplay it? come on, man. >> crazy. >> it's just crazy to me. and honestly, the -- maybe i'd be more afraid of the sort of gaslighting element of this, except there's thousands of hours of tape, reams of documents, and you've just had sedition charges filed for january 6th. so, yeah, they can try and gaslight all they want, but there's like tons of evidence to contradict their gaslighter. it might work in some corners of the world where there is an information bubble and facts can't necessarily get in...