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Collusion. certainly not good for manafort. the second part though, cohen, that is more serious for the president. i don't think he can just summarily dismiss it we don't know exactly where this is going. especially when you have an attorney who is making surreptitiously tapes of a person. but, again, i think a president or anybody who goes to an attorney has an expectation that the reason did you go to an attorney is to that it is done legally and lawfully. >> sandra: go ahead. >> these tapes were not made in the oval office. >> sandra: no. >> jon: this all took place before the president was...

Campaign including through meetings and phone calls about the fact, nature and timing of the payments." talking about the payments to stormy daniels and mcdougal. we know one person was the president. if there was another person involved in the campaign who he was talking about this with, e-mailing, discussing, do you know who that other person was? >> no, i don't. and, you know, unidentified in -- you're reading from the information document. >> correct. >> underlying the plea. and i do not know that. and if i did, i would not be able to discuss that because he's still in the process of deali...

We know one person was the president. if, in, there was another person involved in the campaign who he was talking about this with, e-mailing, discussing, do you know who that other person was? >> no, i don't. and they're unidentified in -- you're reading from the information document. >> correct. >> underlying the plea. and i do not know that. and if i did, i would not be able to discuss that because he's still in the process of dealing with the prosecutors on all of the issues that still remain. >> can you say if there is another person from the campaign or even who is now in the white house...

Members. indeed the trump seem says the original flyer was just a draft, never a completed plan and certainly nothing they ever wanted to get out to the general pub luck. tom foreman, cnn washington. >> the problem is there's also a formation document for this organization filed in texas that had their names on it. was that a draft? the trump sons now distancing themselves for obvious reasons but there are concerns about whether or not this shows what will happen if it isn't caught in advance. let's bring in the reporter you just saw in tom's piece who broke the details. carrie levine. he's jo...