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>> let's listen 20 director brennan on another question of the day. exactly what did they use to peace together the trail to find bin laden. >> it is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. again, intelligence information from the individuals who were subjected to eits provided information that was used in that. again, i am not going to attribute that to the use of the eits. i'm just going to state as a matter of fact, the information that ...

I'm just going to state as a matter of fact, the information that they provided was used. >> it sounds as tepid a claim about this kind of information leading to the capture of bin laden. he does not say that that information led to the capture. he simply says it was useful and it was used. there's all sorts of information in any investigation that's useful. but it isn't decisive. and what dick cheney's side of this argument has been saying all along is oh, no, no, this information, the torture-obtained information was decisive. bin laden would still be in hiding were it not for that. >> i thi...

And his information led to the sheik who was the post 9/11 plotter and his job was to come up with ways to hit america. they guav up sha lec mammogram and organizer who did the ba li bombing and in charge of hitting the west coast of the united states. and he gave up his brother who was in charge of the cell of 17 people who were charged in the plot against the united states and in the process of being planned and executed. and so the idea that it department lead to intelligence is ridiculous. we took major players off of al-qaeda and saved american lives and americans. >> and another part of ...

That critical and unique information came from one or more detainees in its custody after they were subjected to the cia's coercive techniques. that information led to specific counter terrorism success. our staff reviewed every one of the 20 cases. not a single case holds up. in every single one of these cases, at least one of the following was true. one, the intelligence community had information separate from the use of eits that led to the terrorist disruption or capture. two, information from a detainee subjected to eits played no role in the claim disruption or capture and three, the pur...

>> yes, which says when the government wants information about anybody for any reason, it has to -- and wants to spy on anybody for any reason, had could be -- it could be a bank robber planning a bank robbery or a terrorist planning a terrorist act. the government has to present some evidence about that person to a judge and the judge signs a warrant to spy on the person. what the nsa has done is hey, judge, somebody is having a phone call in area code and they'll give the area code. can you give us a warrant to listen to alt calls in that area code? judges are not supposed to do that but som...