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Because other folks who have spoken to mueller come out and they describe it it is frightening how much information mueller and his team had going in. did you get that sense? >> i wasn't frightened. i had my dog with me and i want to thank the mueller team for allowing my dog to come in. and by the way, the dog was not seen by the grand jury. i didn't bring it in as a prop. i brought it in in a very discrete bag and she was under the table. but they are -- it is a very thorough and professional investigation and nobody is grand standing there like they are in the house and the senate and i pro...

And how much do they -- what kind of knowledge do they possess about what mueller has? >> very, very, very little. they have been involved in document production, so they know, you know, what documents out of the white house were provided to mueller, what white house e-mails, for example, white house memos, things like that. they have some visibility into what the testimony has been. that is what white house officials who have been called as witnesses have told mueller because they've debriefed with ty cobb who was the lawyer at the time and others on the team. but beyond that, they really hav...

Tax fraud. if he is found not guilty, that's going to have implications for the larger mueller investigation. if he is found guilty, that will certainly have ramifications for the entire mueller investigation. politically speaking, who's watching this right now? >> reporter: well, i think it's safe to say the white house has been watching this, if not every twist an turn then certainly the headlines that have come out of it. one thing they can take away is how intrusive, how much information mueller's team has been able to get on paul manafort, they have such professionals that have worked on ...

Very top, the most popular president at this point in the presidency was george herbert walker bush in 1990. what happened to him two years later? he lost. if you look at the two at the bottom, reagan and clinton, they both won two years later, carter lost so it's not necessarily a good predictor one way or the other about whether you as a president will get reelected. >> one other note as we finish this discussion. another fascinating number, 66% say robert mueller should finish his probe before the midterms as david pointed out. that may be because democrats would like to see the information...

Michael cohen's new lawyer lanny davis, the long time clinton ally, is speaking out in his first on-camera interview and he says his client as made a, quote, declaration of independence from donald trump. adding this. >> there is a reason he said at the end of the interview with mr. stephanopoulos that he took these contrary positions to mr. trump that he previously said he would take a bullet for. the reason he said is i will not be a punching bag as part of somebody else's defense strat y strategy. >> i have nick ackerman. as the saying goes, here we go. >> this is not good news for donald t...