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But what donald does know is value. and this was a place, mar-a-lago, where all sorts of people who are agents of foreign governments were showing up. when he went to bedminster, his golf course, and met with saudi officials about the saudi golf tournament was being set up, he took some of the documents up there at the time of that meeting. now, i have absolutely no evidence, let me be clear, that donald has in fact sold or attempted to sell our national secrets. but his history of behavior says we should be suspicious that that's the case. and be concerned about it, joy. >> and just to clarif...

Information. the most well known case was reality winner, a government contractor who leaked information to a journalist, turns out the wrong one, in 2017, that showed evidence confirming that the kremlin had targeted and infiltrated our voting systems, counter to what donald trump was publicly saying at the time. and even though it was argued that she was acting in the public interest by sharing that information, the doj threw the book at reality winner, and she was sentenced to more than five years in prison. because when it comes to the espionage act, intent doesn't matter. and yet to this ...