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Public when there are other ways to get this information out, whether it's through proper channels, or frankly, just putting your name on it. sally yates did that, too, when she resigned. it goes to the broader idea that people had that, oh, if there are adults in the room, they can fix this, and we're seeing that, no, really the only thing that can fix this is the impeachment process, transparency, and rule of law. >> it's hard to say because we have not read the entire bo sen administration official who claims to be as he or she describes, part of the so-called resistance, charlie, do you ge...

This whistle-blower on the success that they've had so far in getting that information out, and on the courage that she showed or he showed in taking this on. even following the rules, to challenge a president for wrongdoing is not safe, either physically or legally, and i hope that the democrats in congress in the house will take every precaution to keep her identity or his identity secret from the president. >> we asked mr. ellsberg about donald trump's action and public threats against this whistle-blower, including compared with other presidents. >> i don't think any of the previous presid...

Takes place in judiciary, never in intel. let's talk about the fact that the whistleblower never bothered to tell the inspector general that he had approached adam schiff office, adam schiff lied and said that no one had spoken to the whistleblower when during a month time they set up the whole narrative, got him a clinton lawyer, a democrat and friendly with a very high ranking democrat, cia member, all of that stuff is indicative of a narrative that they created, there almost in a rush to do this. get the information out, in the hopes of getting 218 votes. >> speed is on their side, it does ...

Takes place in judiciary, never in intel. let's talk about the fact that the whistleblower never bothered to tell the inspector general that he had approached adam schiff office, adam schiff lied and said that no one had spoken to the whistleblower when during a month time they set up the whole narrative, got him a clinton lawyer, a democrat and friendly with a very high ranking democrat, cia member, all of that stuff is indicative of a narrative that they created, there almost in a rush to do this. get the information out, in the hopes of getting 218 votes. >> speed is on their side, it does ...

Takes place in judiciary, never in intel. let's talk about the fact that the whistleblower never bothered to tell the inspector general that he had approached adam schiff office, adam schiff lied and said that no one had spoken to the whistleblower when during a month time they set up the whole narrative, got him a clinton lawyer, a democrat and friendly with a very high ranking democrat, cia member, all of that stuff is indicative of a narrative that they created, there almost in a rush to do this. get the information out, in the hopes of getting 218 votes. >> speed is on their side, it does ...