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Following? >> i don't know whether somebody else told someone else in the white house. what we know is this intelligence officer, the whistleblower, probably was at one point on the white house staff. which would also explain why they would be privy to phone conversations because the conversations that the president has with heads of state, those transcripts are kept very close circle. so cabinet members and people assisting the cabinet members. when i was in the pentagon, i would see the transcripts of phone calls with president putin, for example, or the ukrainian president. but it was a ver...

But it was a very close circle. you know, and i was pretty senior in the pentagon at the time. so an intelligence official working in the white house, that person would also have access to that. i don't -- obviously, somebody stepped in and told joe maguire not to send this information over, the acting dni. i think there's nothing in his military training that should tell him to do that. he should seek counsel and it's clear that his counsel would have told him, or at least the inspector general would have told him to send that over to congress.ge so i think he made a misstep and frankly speak...

It should never happen again, either. joining with us reaction, harvard law professor alan dershowitz, and fox news contributor sara carter. you have been following john's story, you have sources confirming to you, bucket 5, exculpatory information, transcripts, and likely tapes of papadopoulos and page, basically saying no, we would never do this, the trump campaign never did this. and asked to do it, we would consider that unpatriotic. they had that information, like they had the ohr warning and the state department warning. >> well, apparently they did have that information, and they failed...

But barr has said he expects to meet the deadline, what he calls the principal conclusions from the mueller report. one of the big questions for all of us at this hour is, blr this includes so much information that it is making it that much more difficult to come up with what barr calls the principal conclusions. one thing you can bet. this won't be the end. once barr sends this information over -- by the way, he expects to make that public. once he sends to it congress, he plans to show the public what it is he provided to members of congress. but you can bet, they'll want more than that. >> ...

Intelligence agency placed a spy in the trump campaign. joining me former u.s. attorney joyce vance. thank you for joining me. giuliani's strategy, is it a legit request or another attempt to discredit mueller in the investigation in. >> it's more a public relations strategy than a legal one. giuliani a former u.s. attorney is well aware that a subject or a target of a federal investigation isn't entitled to know the evidence that investigators are accumulating during that investigation. there's a time for prosecutors to turn that information over, but that comes after the target of an investi...