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We don't want a royal class here. this is a different type of country, and we want citizens to participate in their government and participate in many ways. >> you know, tim, when we were fighting for term limits and this was before i was elected to something, people said, oh, the lobbyists will have all the power. my experience, having watched it over the past 20-something years, is that the lobbyists have a lot less power when there are term limits. >> that's exactly right. we're still waiting for the first lobbyist in the last 20 years to support term limits. it's never going to happen. it ...

We don't want a royal class here. this is a different type of a country and want citizens to participate in the government and many ways. >> we fought for term limits and this was before i was elected people say the lobbyist will have all of the power. my experience watching it 20 something years, the lobbyist have a lot less power when there are term limits. >> that's right. we are waiting for the first lobbyist in the last 20 years to support term limits. it is never going to happen and makes their job harder. and lobbyist have an important part in the political system but they are not king ...

To be in office for a career. we don't want a royal class here. this is a different type of a country and want citizens to participate in the government and many ways. >> we fought for term limits and this was before i was elected people say the lobbyist will have all of the power. my experience watching it 20 something years, the lobbyist have a lot less power when there are term limits. >> that's right. we are waiting for the first lobbyist in the last 20 years to support term limits. it is never going to happen and makes their job harder. and lobbyist have an important part in the political...

Down these embassies. but now, that source of information has been disclosed to the people who were using it and so as an information source, intelligence source because of this leak, it is gone. and, of course, the other side of this it was all political. and right now, there are heightened domestic political considerations around those issues. more than there used to be thanks to edward snowden. and if you think about it, if you want people and politicians to feel better about the immense surveillance power of the united states government, then say what it's for. it's helpful to show wheneve...

Purposes, whatever means they used to communicate, those two al qaeda guys, that may have been a very valuable source of information for the united states, valuable enough to have produced this threat warning and to have down -- shut down all these embassies. but now, that source of information has been disclosed to the people who were using it and so as an information source, as an intelligence source because of this leak, it is gone. and, of course, the other side of this it was all political. we're talking about the surveillance powers. and right now, there are heightened domestic political...