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The greatest in cyber -- you know, cyber hygiene. that has since changed. and as you say, the world can hear us. when the world believes the united states will no longer defend itself, you know, malignant players such as iran, north korea, china, you know, could be anybody as far away as zimbabwe understands that america's information sphere can be weaponized against itself and that you can go after individuals or organizations or entire countries and have the ability to change their mind-set or to hack their mind-set. so apparently iran is touching base on this and are trying to get the basic...

The other evidence where fingerprints of putin are clearly there. so these instrumentalities like the russian intelligence services who were actively engaged in or the internet research agency as documented in the indictment of the 13 russians, these things are controlled by putin. any big decisions in russia are made by one guy -- putin. and the russians are actively engaged in war against us in the information sphere. and putin is orchestrating this, and he orchestrated and he called the shots during the run-up to the election, and he's still doing it. >> i mean congressman stewart also like...

Conclusion that candidate trump would be better for them than she would be. so but let's put aside for that single stream of reporting for the moment. and look at all the over evidence that where fingerprints of putin are clearly there. or the internet research agency as documented in the indictment of the 13 russians. these things are controlled by putin. any big decisions in russia are made by one guy, putin. and the russians are actively engaged in war against us in the information sphere. and putin is orchestrating this. and he called the shots in, during the run up to the election and he ...

Boy, michael, that suggests we're in a really dark place as a society. >> "the washington post" says it was the communication between kislyak and the kremlin that was picked up, that it was not the meeting december 1 or 2 at trump tower that was surveilled. let me explore this with general hayden. is it possible kislyak was lying and that this was part of a disinformation campaign? that's not a question i would have asked but for the report about jim comey as fbi director having to deal with misinformation pertaining to loretta lynch. >> always a possibility, michael, given how much manipulati...

Russia? >> well, i mean, the president-elect -- and he is the president-elect, and his legitimacy is not in question. >> no one has questioned it, right. >> he did create quite a dystopian view of america, the american economy, american borders, and american political processes. now, look, i know how campaigns are run. one expects, then, that successful candidates kind of trend back towards the center, tack back towards the center. we'll see if this -- if this president does it. but you created an interesting formula there, jake. i talked about creating this equivalency between the russian pol...