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You don't know where it'sia goi to go yet but it is definitely something to keep an eye on. >> i'm not going to ask you to predict where it goes from here, but to theed point that you are raising, which is that the information is trickling in, perhaps some in therm oppositio there, speaking up about it, yesterday, we sawup thousands o russians in different cities across the country, by some estimates as many as 50 different tecities, that were protesting the invasion. they wereng met unsurprisingly with a crackdown from police. are more protests expected today? and are we seeing -- i know that...

Is being fought on many fronts including that of social media, disinformation and cyber attacks. it's part of hybrid warfare that has begun to emerge in recent years — and means using technology and information campaigns as well as the military to win the war. for more on this let's cross to australia and to 0lga boichak. 0lga has relatives in ukraine, is also is a lecturer in digital cultures at the university of sydney and an expert in digital war. wonderful to have you on the programme. i do hope that your loved ones, yourfriends and programme. i do hope that your loved ones, your friends...

Electoral system based on the constant drumbeat that you get out of republican leadership, that we had a flawed election. no. the 2020 election was one of the best, one of the safest, one of the most well-monitored elections that we've ever had. but we still have some young men and women who have bought that stop the steal mantra that we get. so we've just got to -- we've just got to message better. we've got to fight the stop the steal messaging that is ongoing. and we can stop -- we can start it by stopping fox news on any military installation. that is -- that is anathema. the messaging too...

The 2020 election was one of the best, one of the safest, one of the most well-monitored elections that we've ever had. but we still have some young men and women who have bought that stop the steal mantra that we get. so we've just got to -- we've just got to message better. we've got to fight the stop the steal messaging that is ongoing. and we can stop -- we can start it by stopping fox news on any military installation. that is -- that is anathema. the messaging tool these guys are using to get into the armed forces of the united states are guys like tucker carlson, sean hannity. these guy...

Do you have success with people who are skeptical who come from that sort of information stream and have heard it day after day after day? >> i do. and more latino and latina community, but their misinformation is spread on similar streams. i don't do, here is why i got vaccinated because i meet them for 15 minutes and then i go away. i actually say, who is the most important person in your life? who is on the phone. what i think is critical in the united states, we're blessed to have this. i have vaccinations right here. we will do this right now. and i can tell you that is going to save your...