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How does that play? >> i think that's exactly right. i think what he's saying on one hand, we have got to pay off our debt, that's right. on the other hand, we have got so invest in rebuilding our infra structure, creating millions of jobs, transforming our energy system. i think it was exactly right on that issue. >> where was he weak tonight? >> well, i'll tell you where he was weak. i get nervous when the president talks about working with republicans about reforming entitlement programs. you know what that really means? let's be frank, that means cuts in social security, medicare and medic...

How does that play? >> i think that's exactly right. i think what he's saying on one hand, we have got to pay off our debt, that's right. on the other hand, we have got so invest in rebuilding our infra structure, creating millions of jobs, transforming our energy system. i think it was exactly right on that issue. >> where was he weak tonight? >> well, i'll tell you where he was weak. i get nervous when the president talks about working with republicans about reforming entitlement programs. you know what that really means? let's be frank, that means cuts in social security, medicare and medic...