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Arguments on both sides. but the house managers, the people sent by nancy pelosi other to the senate to defend the articles of impeachment and to lay them out before the senate are going to be on trial just as much. griff: last question and that is minority leader schumer is demanding documents related to mcgahn, even talking about additional articles of impeachment on obstruction of justice. what say you? >> it's outside the scope of these articles of impeachment. it just shows that the democrats are more interested in investigating rather than governing. they are more interested in scoring p...

Minority leader chuck schumer, their drive to try to rig the trial against the president i think is misplaced. this needs to play out in a fair and objective manner. when that happens, this president will be exonerated. griff: that's really the question, bill. when will it happen? do you believe that pelosi has a constitutional duty to ultimately be forced to hand them over or not? >> she realize thrs is not enough of article to turn them over to the house. he understands a fair process in the senate, which is something that will happen, the house democrats in their process and the lack of evi...

Impeachment process went down. she realizes she has a political and legal problem by handing down these articles of impeachment that have no factual basis. this president should be reelected, not impeached. griff: so, bill, we have seen, obviously, democrats and some in the media. we played it in the last segment, have a problem with the murkowski criticism saying that you know, leader mcconnell and the white house should not be working so closely together. is that a fair criticism? >> i don't believe so. i think that, you know, the senate is the upper chamber. it has its own traditions. i thi...

Griff: congress may be out of session but the battle over impeachment on democrats defending calls for impeachment as impeachment moves towards the senate. how is the white house gearing up for their defense? let's ask former white house under president trump william mcginly. this is the first time you have spoken out on television since leaving the white house. what are your thoughts as pelosi holds the articles and criticism of mcconnell escalates. >> thank you griff for having me. at the end of the day the white house is going to continue to work for the american people. democrats are quite...

Impeachment inquiry with the rule of law, you know, playing a major role. >> yeah. listen, i mean honestly, mayor, unlike the trials, the president was offered the opportunity to present a defense but refused to do so. it's not even close to what happened in salem. >> i mean the whole point of the witch trials is there was no rule of law, and you're talking about very marginalized people who were accused, these victims. they were women. they were elderly. they were poor. anyone who was different or odd in any way, shape, or form versus 2019 we've got expressions of wrongdoing. we've got transc...