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Sanctions gave castro a scapegoat to essentially say, our economy is bad because of the american sanctions and if you remove the sanctions, then they don't have that scapegoat anymore. they can't blame the americans for this. but i also think if you sort of take a step back and look at what president obama has done in the so-called lame duck years of his presidency, just post-election, you've seen massive immigration reform through executive action, climate change with china, cuba here. so anybody who says that lame duck presidents actually don't have any power or authority, you're seeing this...

That has been there under his administration and previous administrations because i guarantee you another concession the president has given to the castro regime is he's going to take cuba off the lists of state that is sponsor terrorism, that it is a state sponsor of terrorism. president obama has appeased it, giving it everything that they had been asking for. and the only thing -- there are no guarantees for people having more freedom. there are no demands, frankly, for any verification of the little that the president says he's asking for. but what he has given is what the castro regime ha...

90 miles to sour south where many people fled and came to the united states there in florida and throughout the country who would like to see their families back in cuba, would like to travel freely to cuba. lots of americans would like to go to cuba. so this is a policy change that should have happened a long time ago. for lots of reasons which i think we'll get into, the political pressure was made to bear against members of congress and certainly against people in the oval office to not change the policy or do what president obama did today. >> let me address that a minute. bloomberg had a ...

The fear of communism. and isn't it quite absurd that for 50 plus years, we've been talking about, we don't want to do business with one of the smallest communist countries on the planet but yet we do business with china? >> right. that seems to have been a glaring contuld nontradiction t of american people. >> and did it work? for 50 years we thought if we keep the embargo in place, cuba will fold and embrace democracy. it didn't work. after trying something 50 years, let's change course. because cuba has already changed course. let's change course at home and see what we can get in terms of ...

Order to get very little in return. >> what do you say to the president and you heard carl levin say it, ben cardin said it. the u.s. can have normal diplomatic commercial relations with a communist regime in china, a normal diplomatic relation with vietnam. why not with cuba? >> because we don't have diplomatic relations with iran, a state sponsor of terrorism. by the way, i'm actually shocked that people use china and vietnam as the example to follow because those are oppressive regimes. i frankly think that we're going to regret the day that we treat china as if they were a democratic, wond...