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Nicholas burns, former under secretary of state and former u.n. ambassador to nato. and here in washington, former nato supreme allied commander retired general george jalwan. let me turn to you first, general. we heard early on in a couple of interviews, the u.s. is nato, we're the center of it, stepping back is not working. we need to get back in the forefront not just with predator drones but with these low-flying planes that can spray the ground fairly easily. would you go along with that. >> yes, as long as the political objectives are clear and i'm not sure the political objectives both ...

Transition to nato be? what role will the u.s. play? here is major general spider marks, retired general of the u.s. army. great to see you. what is the answer to that question? >> gregg, inside nato i think everything will be perfectly fine. they are accustomed and experienced at what we outside of nato might think is a confusing and messy arrangement. but what is going to happen, the transition will be fine. what is going to happen is a canadian three star headquartered out of naples, which is allied forces, southern command, a sub boardnant command to nato will take over -- subordinate comm...

Forces. and many people even asking for foots on the ground, soldiers to come into libya. they don't want an invasion, they don't want an occupation, but they say, give us soldiers so we can defeat gadhafi forces and then they can leave. it's nothing that's ever been mentioned by nato officials or western states, but i think it's important to pass along that many people here calling for troops on the ground. >> well, tell them thatin gener creator ham in the interview that's about to air here in "the situation room" is making it clear, no u.s. troops on the ground, no u.s. arms forhe rebels. a...

The more active role without germany and turkey. so fine, let the british and the french work it out inside nato, and let us play a role to be helpful. >> why don't the germans and turks want to do this? >> i don't think they see a positive outcome. i don't think they see how this goes from here. if the british and french want to bring them along, they have a very hard sell at this point to persuade the turks and germans that there is an end game to this that involves getting gadhafi out of there and keeping libya in a single, hopefully, democratic -- >> do you see a way to pull that off? into...