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He'll demand the wealthy pay more taxes. and onceme again, he'll proposea grand bargain to cut the deficis and avoid that $1.2 trillion in automatic triggers. do you see a compromise on any of those issues? >> i've read a lot about what the presidentse is going to tals about tuesday night. it sounds to me like the same old policies that we've seen, more spending, higher taxes, more regulations. the same policies that haven't helped our economy, they've made it worse. if that's what the president ise going to talk about tuesday night, i think it's pathetic. i think it's time for the president t...

>> i want to get a picture. >> we've had our differences, whichha campaign also inevitabll have. newt is not perfect, but who w among us is? have an opening to marriage. iri refused. >> i am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that. >> at times, he's got sort of that worrisome moment that something is going to pop. >> this is our grandson, robert -- you'reop playing hook. shhh. this is his mother. this is an educational field trip for robert. >> you know, in washington, when i give a speech, i never getwa applause, so i'm always glad to get out of washington. >>...

So conservative as a reliable conservative leader, n as people might have a imagined. but we'll get chance to frame up those issues as time goes on. he had a very good week going after me on taxes and bain and so forth. a great confrontation with juan williams. that's hard to match in every single state. >> chris: i want to pick up on exactly this issue, how will you -- you give us a couple of ideas. but how will you go after newt gingrich now? >> well, the key for me is mott so much going after newt gingrich as it is pointing out my capacity, my background, my strengths. look, i don't think t...

Him. third, you saw it earlier, heth took on gingrich on the question of character, but not on the question of marriage, but on the question of you were working for freddie mac. you were the guy who is the washington insider. you are the guy who attacked the republican house members about being foddr the ryan budget byor saying right wing social engineering. he's got to use attacks that distinguish him ast being more conservative or as conservative on certain issues. >> chris: what would your advice be to newt gingrich? >> well, newt gingrich has had two things working for him. one is the atta...

Report they issued this week, many of the ideas and the president's own jobs council are bills that have already passed in the house. >> chris: such as? >> the issue of infrastructure. we need -- we have big problems with our highways and roads. we need to get those things done. when youto look -- >> chris: he supported an infrastructure as part of his jobs bill. >> if you look at the regulatory of bills that have passed the house, same kind of suggestions coming from the president's own jobs council.'s let's slow down on the regulatory onslaught coming out washington. they talked about fundam...