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Was completely tapped? >> well, you would believe that somebody with his level of experience in the intelligence business would assume that those phone calls could likely be intercepted. there's lots of bad activities that happen sometimes through those russian embassies around the world, including here in the united states. i will say that that's the one thing, as somebody who would -- a former fbi agent and chairman of the intelligence committee would say, listen, this guy's an experienced guy, it's not likely he's going to call up and conduct some kconversation that would be out of bounds. ...

Changed. this is why you don't allow a flooift the united states military to make a decision about what is disclosable and what is not. it's dangerous. i do believe it contributed to the loss of life in iraq. i do believe it caused problems in diplomatic relations around the world. then releasing the files at gitmo only showed what we knew about relationships about people at gitmo. you read it and you're not in the intelligence business, you say that's not interesting. if you're in the counterintelligence business, you say now we know what we have to change. this is dangerous stuff. should hav...

It is dangerous. and releasing files only show what we knew about relationships with people at gitmo. if you read it and in the intelligence business, if you are in the counter intelligence business, you read aha, now we know what we have to change in the assessment of that person. this is dangerous stuff. we need to look at the commutation. it's not a pardon. it in no way excuses what manning did nor has she attempted to excuse it. as gloria said there is a humane aspect of this. the obama policies about leaks have been draconian and an assault on the first amendment and at the same time ther...

Intelligence community, which has not been infallible, we know that although they are vital, of course, and this kind of confrontation cannot be helpful and i am worried about the morale of these men and women who labor out of the spotlight in the shadows defending our nation in the intelligence business. they are incredible patriots, and i -- i don't want to see their morale hurt. >> so one of the big keys, of course, going forward will be the cabinet position, specifically secretary of state, and the president-elect's nominee is rex tillerson, and you have decided or not whether or not you a...

Confrontation cannot be helpful. and i also am worried about the morale of these men and women who labor out of the spotlight in the shadows defending our nation in the intelligence business. >> the outgoing cia director john brennan weighing in on this issue calling the president-elect's comments repugnant. he also said the following. tell the families of those 117 cia officers who are forever memorialized on our wall of honor that their loved ones who gave their lives were akin to na nazis. brennan who served in the cia for some 25 years under presidents clinton and bush and obama. basically...