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Over that special counsel and mr. mueller. each of those are pretty special factual situations. and we will use the proper standards. that's the only thing i can tell you, mr. jordan. >> i appreciate that. >> you can have your ideas, but sometimes we have to study what the facts are and to evaluate whether it meets a standard -- >> so let me ask you this. we know one fact. we know the committee paid for. and it sure looks like the fbi was paying the author of that document and it sure looks like a major political party was working with the federal government to then turn an opposition research...

Journal every day has a higher degree of reliability probably than this. but this unsubstantiated, raw intelligence. the fact he's there for ten hours has more to do with the guys asking him questions than what he has to say. i think having the american public look at the intelligence stuff that isn't vetted, you know, they should decide about what should be released. it shouldn't be released wholesale. >> well, i mean it -- listen, i think that ship has sailed. i think that's what -- why the white house was so upset. >> we have to make distinctions between what's journalism and what are intel...

Phony pacts, period, too bad, exclamation point. james clapper realized he had to make a call looks like these leaks are eminating from the intelligence community because those were the unnamed sources that cnn named. so sean, seems to be a problem there, correct? and he is acknowledging that by picking up the phone, that right? >> well, i think he just wanted to be very clear this document that was circulated by buzzfeed and others, that attempted to look like a an intelligence document was in fact and director of intelligence in his statement last night made it very clear it was not an intel...

Hands. who knows how it looked. but the truth is, this is not an intelligence document. this is not a document produced by any of american intelligence. this is a document apparently produced by a retired agent somewhere in the world, which by the way there are tens of thousands of these folks, that hung a shingle out and gets paid by people to put these reports together. looks like something the next eye ian fleming draft fiction novel. certainly isn't true. we know that. ainsley: the material is salacious. >> and it is disgusting. >> how is his family handling this? >> well, unfortunately, i...

That i saw these salacious details, and you know which ones i'm talking about, and these secret meetings, was last night. >> so the two-page summary was different? >> i can't -- >> did it not cover this ground? >> i can't -- i can't -- >> you know i can't get into that. what i can tell you is it's based on garbage. it's total crap. >> just for our viewers, you can't get into that, why? >> because it's classified information. honestly, i can't even verify whether there is -- i can't even verify whether the two-page document exists. here is the deal. what i'm telling you there was no craziness i...