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Intelligence, everybody knows that we have to reform this function, there's got to be some changes made in the intelligence function. we are bringing in here a very experienced person with a deep background in national security. he was nearly the secretary of defense during the george w. bush administration, but secretary rumsfeld was, obviously, selected for that position. he's highly respected and highly regarded. and given his years of experience, i think he's being brought in there -- no one told me this, i'm just surmising it -- to really reform that whole dni operation because most of us...

>> senator bayh? >> i think the congressman raises a good point. these practices, enhanced interrogation techniques were stopped five or six years ago. there's a national consensus that we don't do this sort of thing anymore. what you have here is the committee and the staff understandably feeling the institutional role of the intelligence function and the senate intelligence committee is important and needs to be robust. on the other hand, john brennan has an agency he's got to run. you have to be considered about work product, preliminary work product. how do they function if all that can be...

The big brother aspect to all of that? >> i wouldn't go that far. i mean i think the government needs to have intelligence function that help to protect the country but of course any function like that, any programs have got to comply with the constitution of the united states of america. so i think that you know these revelations raise a lot of questions that you said anmentioned, this is going to be debated an torn open between capitol hill and the white house and other places. it's the start of a very parent national dialogue and we've got to take it siriusry in terms of how a proper balanc...

Something else. it was -- it was an unusual ten years that i was there. so i was ready to move on. >> unusual ten years to say the least. you know, very intense and difficult work that you guys do. i want to switch gears here and talk about the boston bombings. you know, you said that the fbi behaved more like a law enforcement agency than an intelligence gathering agency. and i just wanted you to dive in and explain that a little bit if you can here, looking at what we saw and a lot of talk about how the face of terrorism is really changing. >> you know, the fbi is a law enforcement organizat...