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Electronic attack on the cia at a time when a good distraction would be welcome. our panel stays here, of course. ali, if you're president of the united states and your cia -- >> yeah. >> is under attack, these are the intelligence gatherers, many of them have died in service to our country, would you speak up? >> ah, yeah, it's a problem, though, because you were the one attacking them first, right? so, you've encouraged this behavior. the problem is less to do if he likes the cia and more to do with the fact that in 2017, we're not really worried about nuclear armaments and things like that ...

Testified about plans to defeat, destroy, isis. we heard a lot of criticism that 50 u.s. special operation forces in syria isn't going to have much of an impact, now maybe another 200 might be based in iraq but go into syria at the same time. is that really going to make much of a difference? >> i believe it will. you're going to talk about operators that will certainly be contributing in a counterterrorism role, those are all of the roles that the secretary described. and then you're going to have a large number that will remain in northern iraq, probably erbil, talking about intelligence gat...

It affects our safety and our national security. does anybody care? >> oh, yeah. but you know, part of this is that people in the intelligence community, one, make mistakes. and they have oftentimes, one perspective or another. i mean, think back to what happened with weapons of mass destruction. so sometimes errors are made and then there's criticism of our intelligence gatherers, our analysts. and then you come forward and people start asking questions about like for instance in libya where we had intelligence gathering that perspective at this table was totally wrong as to the cause of why ...

Which means we're bringing a inging all the intelligence gatherers back home and they are not there to gather the intelligence they should be in order to drone strike our enemies. >> rick is anything foolproof when it comes to war? >> by that i mean could this be a sad example, a tragic example of what we are calling friendly fire? >> sure it could be. and you have to remember too kelly, that intelligence is an estimate. so we're gathering intelligence. we're gathering human intelligence. and this is just an estimate. sometimes we are under. sometimes we are over the estimates. but if you look...

Enforcement does this all the time. intelligence gatherers do it all the time so this is not an unusual or difficult thing to do. jenna: what about the time line on the ship? how long can they do this? when does it start impacting potentially the case against this individual? >> well, they can do it in my view for as long as they want and as long as they find it useful. they say they're going to do it for a matter of weeks. now, i don't know whether you can exploit a source like that in a matter of weeks even if he is, in fact, be cooperative and i think it's open to question whether he would ...