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The body of scott. he served as part of the navy s.e.a.l.s till 2005. he had since deployed three times to the middle east as a civilian with the defense intelligence agency which is the pentagon's intelligence gathering operation. scott wirtz was 42 years old and hailed from st. louis, missouri. and one of the reasons why his friends say he wanted to go back was because he craved the adrenaline rush of being in the field. and he died in service to the countr country. >> an honorable thing that he did by serving his country but certainly a tragedy for all involved, particularly, jeff, when you...

But it does reflect the fact that there are a whole bunch of people outside the white house now, some of whom like corey, never came in, but in trump world who have the president's ear. that's been one of the big challenges for john kelly is to sort of fight back against that. apparently in this case not just fight back verbally. >> a.b.? >> i think that's the problem. i remember john kelly saying that his job is just to sort of mainstream or streamline the information flow to the president. he was not going to stop tweets but he was going to organize who saw him and when. >> key job of the ch...

Learned that was the president's son through this e-mail because at that time we couldn't be sure whether this was going to go beyond the intelligence gathering operation. >> so when they were just stealing stuff, when they were stealing documents, that's what i traditionally think of as a spying operation. i think of spying mostly as stealing secrets. when -- whether it's, you know, potentially damaging political information or useful industrial information or military, whatever it is. stealing information is fine. when it came to turn that around and not just let the russian government use i...

That's exactly right. so the hacking had been earlier. the theft of documents had been earlier. but they hadn't been dumped. at this point we wouldn't have known that the russians intended to escalate that way. so if this is correct, the first person who may have found out that the russians had decided not just to gather information about what the candidate's positions might be or what they might do in office, but they had made a decision to try to intervene to help a candidate. the first person who may have learned that was the president's son through this e-mail because at that time we could...