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Picture here is the trump administration and its agents are looking to find new ways to defeat isis. if that means talking to people on the phone who are in comparable positions in foreign governments, so be it. more information needs to come out before you can start making character attacks on someone like mike flynn. he deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to character and integrity questions. >> emily, regardless, democrats are certainly jumping on this. they're calling for an investigation. where do you see this going? >> i do think this will be pursued because to the point scot...

United states using intelligence information he has to try to protect national security. >> chris: we bring lisa in. one of the counter arguments was the judge, and again, there are some interesting facts. you hear the judge in federal district court in washington state arguing with the president about national security but he said there is no evidence that any of the people from these seven countries have committed fatal terrorist attacks and the argument about national security doesn't hold much sway. >> for the trump administration, the haziness has hurt the administration. whether it was t...

Is the cia basically a political place? >> i don't think it's helpful. i think it's very important to have a good relationship and a relationship of trust between the president and the folks that cia. they work for him, not vice versa. i think it's up to them to show him the value they can bring to his decision-making process. i am pretty confident based on the conversations that i had with mike pompeo, he knows how to fix that relationship it's a great asset for the president. and they just need to figure out this relationship. it's basically the agency figuring out how best to support the pr...

>> i don't think it's helpful. i think it's very important to have a good relationship and a relationship of trust between the president and the folks that cia. they work for him, not vice versa. i think it's up to them to show him the value they can bring to his decision-making process. i am pretty confident based on the conversations that i had with mike pompeo, he knows how to fix that relationship it's a great asset for the president. and they just need to figure out this relationship. it's basically the agency figuring out how best to support the president. every president has a different...

In terms of intimidation. >> they're leaking against him. we both know that. >> we both know that. he's got grounds for his complaint. this is a standard washington thing that's been going on for years when bureaucrats in department a, b, or c don't like what the president of the united states. ketchup is a vegetable. they leak stuff out to and jam the president. >> thank goodness they do. >> oh, my god. otherwise, we wouldn't know about these things. >> so you think it's a great idea to leak classified information. >> i'm not saying that's a good idea. >> that's what's at issue here. >> somet...