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Intelligence operations, to compromise agents in the field, they're going to do a deal with him. as distasteful as it is, they may have to. prosecutors every day offer immunity to organized crime people to get another person and to save something. you know, something, that's what they're looking at right now. >> paul callan and buck sexton. thank you very much. fascinating discussion. we'll see where it goes next, where he goes next. now this. recent turmoil in north korea has not put a kink in dennis rodman's travel plans. the former nba player on his way to pyongyang as part of what he cal...

In effect, the white house acknowledging there is over reach in nsa surveillance and words we will ensure to collect information because we need it and not just because we can. clearly, the president is saying i want you to limit this in someway. >> the"the washington post" say there is revelations to come. >> what is crucial here, corporation on intelligence with some of our friends who are not publicly allied with the u.s. so it's not the europeans but countries where it's arguably going to be more dangerous to be revealed they are cooperating with the u.s. and in particular, on countries sy...

They might involve vehicles that look like this. keep your guard up. that's all you can do. they are trying to step up in africa and the horn of africa. they did already have an operation there. the s.e.a.l.s traditionally trained the yemeni counterterrorism forces. if it's horn of africa, it's probably a naval s.e.a.l. operation. but the u.s. army's delta force, which is based at ft. bragg, got a new assignment roughly a year ago to start tracking al qaeda in north africa so that as al qaeda starts building its network across north africa, the u.s. is trying to do the same thing. >> you know ...

Since its inception. >> reporter: the former vice president says when you are telling the american public you are also revealing it to terrorists so there are reasons for secrecy for intelligence operations. he took us back to 9/11. >> when we set this program up in the weeks after '01 we briefed ranking members of congress. we did it in my office in the west wing. we gave them the layout of what we were doing and what we were learning from it. eventually we did it for the elected the leadership, both parties, both houses. >> reporter: he says the intelligence surveillance courts were aware of...

But whether this will be just as successful is hard to know. >> from our reporting now, it is to totally unclear. he may have checked out of his hotel and may be on the run again. >> china, above all, wants to know how our intelligence operations work p.m. so much sing directed against china. he someone that could be very valuable to the chinese. >> funny how that happened on the very day that the president here meeting with -- >> as if they didn't have enough to talk about. >> so angry about their hacking. turns out we are doing our own. okay. thank you. jeffrey toobin. i think we will have m...