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Sunni, the describe fighterstribal fighters sunni, iraqi army forces inserted from the golden division basically traveling all around the country. the more elite of the iraqi army and the police force. so you really have five uncoordinated organizations attempting to defeat isis. you also have a weather problem, but you have to fight through that. you have an intelligence problem. a logistics concern. all of these things are some things that we saw even during my last tour there in 2008 that the iraqi army had to overcome. the will of the individual iraqi soldier is there. they will fight if t...

And second jointly with those companies go to the congress and say this is not an intelligence problem. this is a problem of american culture. do you want to be secure? in which case we collect a lot of information about americans. or do you want to be living free or dying? and that is letting people do what they want to do online unless we get a clear indication that they'll commit an act of violence. basic question. >> so you think that the decision yesterday by the federal court to stop the nsa program of collecting the metadata is illegal. you think that will hamstring law enforcement. >> ...

They went alone. this is one of those cases the europeans are going to feel as if, boy, they blew it here. >> they did blow it. it just says a lot about the weakness of europe. europe is a major economic power, an economic bloc, but they have yet to organize that 28-nation system into a coherent political or diplomatic bloc. >> they rely on russian economic interests and gas in a way we don't so it's harder for them to shut that off. there is no way this does not change the political -- >> this is a game changer in how this is and putin might actually back off, don't you think? >> that's now t...

Analyst. mike, let me start with you. this is your bailiwick here. is there any question that the russians -- that these russian separatists are behind this? >> we know exactly which team through the ball, we don't know which player did. russian system, russian weapon, did the russians actually fire it, were they assisting the separatists or did the separatists fire it. i think the overwhelming evidence is it's the separatists, but that is the piece now that the intelligence community is really digging into and that will come from the location of the missile, intercepted communications. i thin...

Institution, and live with us this afternoon, this certainly does change the game, doesn't it? >> hey, shepard. well, yeah, this will change no matter what. we can all imagine different things that happened here. i still think, first of all, that you're right, we have a lot of information. although i'm not so sure that we immediately knew how to interpret it. you know, think back to benghazi. it took a few days at a minimum to sort that out. there's a lot of confusion there. a different kind of intelligence problem. but ifrs at the cia september 12th, 2012. for the first six, eight, ten, 12 ho...