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Because he's making inconsistent statements about his involvement. so those are the two biggest issues. you know, there's also the notion of not getting involved with the justice department, which is not involved -- not having to do with those litigations, but the mueller investigation. you know, to the extent that he is throwing another piece of circle evidence on the pile of intent evidence in the obstruction case, that's bad for him too. >> all of this is on the meter as the meter runs and people are watching and listening. jeremy, i want to talk about mr. cohen. before i do, we found the s...

Does. the legal ethics rules require that. so it makes it much more likely that he actually was involved, he knew what was going on. and that, to me, is bolstered by the comment he made directly after, which said, and by the way, no campaign funds were used so there's no issue here. how does he know that if he wasn't involved from the beginning and deciding how these payments were going to be made? to me he has undermined the claim that he had no involvement in this, and that's going to be a problem in that civil litigation because we all know that michael avenatti is on this network and elsew...